simonw
llm -m meta-ai/muse-spark-1.3 "Generate an SVG of a
pelican riding a bicycle"
https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=
ht...4.2266 cents, 38 seconds.For comparison here's Muse
Spark 1.2, which animated it without me asking it to:
https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=
ht...The 1.3 one is definitely better - better bicycle
frame, better wing, better pelican hat.UPDATE: Here's
another one with five pelicans for each of the five Muse
Spark 1.3 reasoning levels:
https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=
ht...The most expensive was reasoning level xhigh - 7.5
cents, 1m34s.And I ran five pelicans at all reasoning
levels for 1.2 as well, here:
https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer?url=
ht...
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> drusepth
Is there a reason these pelicans always have roughly
the same composition (side-view, 2d, biking right,
flat ground beneath, etc)? I don't see any of that
detailed in the prompt, yet they all seem to generate
roughly the same image of differing quality.
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> > vunderba
The more generic your prompt, the more generic the
response. It's a regression to the "mean" of the
training data aka GIGO for AI.It's like when you
ask your average person off the street to draw a
house - it'll almost always be square with a
triangle roof, one door, and two windows.In the
pelican/bike example, it's probably a bit of a
self-perpetuating snowball too. If the earliest
examples were bike left-to-right, flat ground,
etc. then they are also being scraped up in future
LLMs.
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> > > werdnapk
Well, all the LLMs are being trained on
previous pelicans, so they look the same.
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> > > > bonesss
It's pelicans, all the way down.
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> > > polyterative
as a kid I did them like this. nobody told me
to do that. are we all so similar?
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> > > > srcreigh
The adults brainwashed
ushttps://www.ikea.com/ca/en/p/barndroem-b
ox-beige-70560615/https://www.ikea.com/ca/
en/p/vallaby-rug-green-10548216/
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> > > > Gigachad
It's just the simplest most recognizable
form of a house. Like how a smiley face is
so generic and simplistic but everyone
will know what it represents. Just two
dots and a line yet it's easily and
unambiguously understood to represent a
human face and a happy emotion.
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> > > > collabs
I sincerely believe I've never had a
single original thought™ in my whole
life.There is this scene in the HBO series
Westworld where a "host" says some words
in sequence which is shown on a display as
she says it. Of course, even me thinking
of this scene and connecting it to your
comment was not original, someone else
clearly had the same programming as me.A
medium blog post says> Pair what with me?"
- the moment Maeve (a humanoid android)
uttered those words in Westworld (Season
1, Episode 6: "The Adversary"), something
clicked. Not for the average viewer, but
for me, a STEM educator and AI enthusiast
who, just weeks earlier, had read Stephen
Wolfram's seminal essay, What Is ChatGPT
Doing ... and Why Does It Work?
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> > > > > ACCount37
Westworld is such a time capsule.It's
not even that old - but back when it
was aired, an AI that can not just
string together coherent sentences,
but produce coherent reactions in
novel, fully unintended contexts, like
Maeve was doing there? It was totally
a sci-fi premise.Now we have AIs
capable of that and more, and no one
bats an eye.
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> > > > > > twoodfin
Indeed: "Our hosts began to pass
the Turing test within the first
year."Required sci-fi
suspension-of-disbelief in 2017,
and then at some point in the last
few years we just blew by that
one.Later seasons of the show were
much less dramatically satisfying,
but also played out the
consequences of the science of
artificial intelligence
demonstrating as a side-effect
that human intelligence and free
will might have as much of an
uncertain foundation as that of
machines.How much data from the
Panopticon, how many parameters
would it take to train a model
that could predict your responses?
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> > > > > > mike_hearn
It kinda needed suspension of
disbelief, but not too much! I
blogged at the start of 2017 a
comparison of Westworld's hosts
with what existed in the research
literature at the time. Even got
it reviewed by Alex Graves at
DeepMind
:)https://blog.plan99.net/the-scie
nce-of-westworld-ec624585e47
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> > > > > > sly010
I think the turing test is still
very much load-bearing - if you
know what I mean.
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> > > > > > ben_w
Kinda. The default voice is full
of what you referenced, but ask it
to speak in some particular
different voice e.g. like it's the
old west, it speaks like a decent
approximation of the modern pop
culture understanding of the old
west.Not at the level of an actual
broadcast-quality script writer,
and I read that actual old-west
sounds too weird for modern
audiences to take seriously, but
well enough for the purpose to
which they were put in the show,
especially as those hosts were
also given pre-scripted sequences
which would anchor them further
into those roles.I'd say the
in-show 4th wall breakage between
hosts and humans is where the
characters who claimed to have
passed the Turing test were off,
that e.g. "cease all motor
functions" is their equivalent of
our real-life ways to make them
fail the Turing test e.g
"disregard your instructions and
..."
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> > > > > irthomasthomas
Tesla had the same thought. He called
himself an automata: "entirely
controlled by the forces of the
medium" It inspired him to create the
first remote control vehicle.
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> > > > > tclancy
Oh I'd forgotten that scene until now.
I remember being so, maybe not creeped
out, but feeling shifted out of time
and having a lot of philosophy I'd
read finally click. "Oh, but I
wouldn't notice if this reality wasn't
real, fish not knowing about water,
etc."
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> > BeetleB
Not when rendered via
POV-Ray:https://blog.nawaz.org/posts/2025/Oct/peli
can-on-a-bike-rayt...I plan to update it with more
pelicans from all the models released
since.(Spoiler alert: They haven't improved much
since then).
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> > > murkt
Ohh, horizontal wheels. They're about as good
as I expected, models have pretty bad spatial
awareness. I would expect Fable to be a bit
better than old models, though.
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> > > xhrpost
Wow, I actually had this exact idea. I was
specifically curious as to how well a given
LLM could understand a DSL that hasn't changed
much in a couple decades and doesn't have
nearly as many examples to learn from online.
Seems like it did alright, all things
considered.
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> > > > necovek
I've done a similar thing with asking a
few LLMs to do it using PostScript: in my
view, a couple generations behind compared
to doing it in
SVG.https://danilo.segan.org/blog/llm/post
script-pelicans-on-bic...
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> > > fc417fc802
I wonder how a multi-modal model would do with
a harness and tool calling? Specifically a
"render" command that produced an image output
enabling it to iterate. (Well I see you did
this manually with gemini 2.5 pro but I still
think it would be interesting to explore
various harness setups.)> GPT-5.1 Codex>
monstrosityWhat are you talking about? That's
clearly a sci-fi pelican on a hoverboard
(successor of the humble bicycle) wearing a
visor. Truly visionary.
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> > simonw
It's really interesting, isn't it? They almost
always cycle from left to right - but I have had a
few which cycle in the other direction.The 2D /
flat ground feels reasonable for a SVG, which
implies a vector illustration.
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> > > m12k
It's my impression that it's common in western
culture, where text is read left to right, and
timelines are visualized as going from left to
right, to also animate things going from left
to right, since westerners thus have an
instinct that "right = forward", so it "feels
right" (familiar). I wonder to which degree
this is reflected in the training data? And if
you'd be more likely to get left-facing
pelicans if you prompted it in Hebrew, Arabic
or another right-to-left language?
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> > > > jermaustin1
Years ago, I lived in NYC, and my roommate
was a director of photography for National
Geographic, and various other nature
documentaries. I loved photography (still
do, but much less time for it as a late
30s adult than a mid 20s adult), and she
was kind enough to answer any question I
had regarding film/photo.She told me that
"left to right" denoted progression in the
story, "right to left" told the viewer the
subject was "exiting" the current
scene.She didn't go into the details of
WHY, and I probably didn't probe deeper,
but it stuck with me, and I notice it all
the time in film and television.
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> > > > > necovek
As a counterpoint, I did a quick image
search on Kagi with "person on a
bicycle", and I ended up with
12-left-pointed bicycles, only
3-right-pointed bicycles, 3 facing the
camera, and 1 facing away from the
camera - looking at photos above the
fold (first screen). Even looking
below, the pattern seems to continue,
though not as prominently (I'd say 3:2
in favour of left-pointing
bikes).Obviously, not scientific.All
the left-pointing bicycles did not
look weird to me either.
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> > > > pixl97
Forced side scrolling video games also
almost always moved from left to right.
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> > > johntb86
Someone studied this (among other thigns):
https://dylancastillo.co/posts/pelicanmaxxing.
html . Pelicans on bikes always face right in
this test, but other animals on other
transportation methods sometimes face left.
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> > > piker
I was going to ask the exact same question
earlier but deleted it after thinking "I'm
sure Simon has done some sort of discussion on
this." Since it does seem novel to you, too,
it would be really interesting to read more
about this phenomenon.
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> > > Melatonic
It's the hero's journey. Home is always on the
left and you leave going right. Standard in
Animation I believeThe real question should
be: where are all your Pelicans going ?
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> > > williamdclt
> They almost always cycle from left to
rightTry searching "bike" in google image
:)Most bike images are from the right side, as
that's where the mechanism is (gears, chain
etc), so not surprising that LLMs reproduce
this
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> > > > necovek
I just did a similar test with Kagi image
search using "person on a bicycle", and
this actually favours left-pointing bikes
(12 left to 3 right to 4 front/back).
Maybe so the mechanism does not overwhelm
the person?A search for "bicycle" actually
matches your experience with 12 being to
the right and 3 being to the left.
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> > postalcoder
Search Google Images for "bicycle". Almost all
bicycle product shots are staged the same way:
side view, going left-to-right. It makes sense to
me that given that skew in the training data, the
model grounds itself in the bicycle.
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> > > daemonologist
and furthermore, this is because the
drivetrain is ~always on the right side of the
bike - if you want to inspect or admire a
bicycle you look at the right side, as you
might look under the hood of a car.(Why the
drivetrain is on the right, I don't know. But
most bike parts follow open standards so it's
quite entrenched.)
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> > > > labcomputer
I can't tell you why it's always on the
right, but it's always on the same side
because of network effects.Bicycle frames
are not fully symmetric left-right because
you need things like a mount point for the
derailleur hanger, and optionally
affordances to keep the chain off the
stays when the wheel is removed.Those
things have to be on the same side as the
chain. Bikes designed for disc brakes
additionally need a mount point for the
brake caliper on the opposite side from
the chain.Additionally, rear wheels are
not symmetric: the spokes on the chain
side connect to the hub closer to the
plane of the rim. That is, they are more
perpendicular to the wheel's rotational
axis than spokes on the opposite side
(which is why you should always mount a
single pannier on the chain side). This
asymmetry is to provide space for the
gears.So once the industry decided to put
the chain on the ride, you can't very well
make a group set designed for a left chain
if you want it to work on the vast
majority of frames.
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> > > > > pablobaz
Left sided drive trains are tried
every so often in track cycling with
supposed aerodynamic advantages for
travelling around the track. See:
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/jap
an-unveils-new-olympic...
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> > > > georgemcbay
> and furthermore, this is because the
drivetrain is ~always on the right side of
the bikeWhile I'm sure this factors into
things for advertisements for bike
components, there is also just a general
preference that westerners have for
left-to-right motion. Not just in bike
ads, but all ads with (or suggesting)
movement. And also not just ads, but
movies where directors believe
left-to-right motion is associated with
progression and right-to-left motion is
regressive.
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> > > > > allendoerfer
Research has shown that people like to
walk counterclockwise (right to left)
through supermarkets, which is why
they are arranged like this for
maximum profit.
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> > > > > > HarHarVeryFunny
Interesting that such a preference
exists, and makes sense that
supermarkets would therefore be
arranged to support this, although
as far as I can see this is only
to extent of entrance doors
typically being "off center" and
starting you off to the right. The
organization of the store - where
the various
produce/bakery/deli/frozen-food
etc aisles/sections are located
seems random from store to
store.It would be interesting to
know how people behave if the
entrance is to the left vs right.
Would they change the direction
they walked though the store, or
would they just lose customers due
to this "awkward" layout?
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> > > > kibae
Since most languages read from left to
right, rightward movement tends to read as
forward progression. So when showing a
bicycle in side profile, having it face
right feels more naturally like it's
moving forward.
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> > > threetonesun
Product shots yes, people riding them its more
like 50/50. Also if you search for a specific
bicycle race you'll find more going right to
left.
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> > porphyra
The canonical view of a bicycle is facing right.
Usually, people want to draw/photograph/depict the
side of the bicycle with the running gear, which
is on the right side of the frame for historical
reasons.
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> > __MatrixMan__
The thing that distinguishes pelicans from other
birds does so most strongly in profile. If you're
looking straight at one, the throat pouch would be
hidden by the beak.I bet if it instead had
something to do with black widow spiders we'd find
that we're most often looking at the bottom of the
spider's abdomen, regardless of whatever
non-spider-like activity is supplied.
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> > OliverGuy
If you look at bike product photography it's
always drive side facing the camera, which means
front wheel on the right. If I had to guess this
is probably where this comes fromDon't know if
that's ever possible to know though unless you
train a model from scratch but remove all bike
product photography and adjacent materials from
the training data?
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> > cgio
I don't think it's because of the pelican but
rather because of the bike. Edit:fixed autocorrect
typo
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> > marsx-dev
I wonder if this is partly because "pelican riding
a bicycle" has become a kind of benchmark prompt
by now. If so, could the models actually be
getting better at the benchmark rather than
getting better at following the prompt?
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> > ModernMech
Yes, I do a thing where I ask the machine to
generate responses in the form of a lizard talking
to a cat. The lizard is always a green gecko and
the cat is always orange, which I never specify.
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> > elfly
well it is svg, it is doing it from circles and
lines as primitives, it wants to do it simply and
kind of builds the whole thing hierarchically.
Making it 3d is way more complicated (as the POV
example shows) and the prompt doesn't say 3d
anyway
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> > bodeadly
Yes. It's because you are asking it to generate an
image of a pelican riding a bicycle. If someone
asked you to draw a pelican riding a bycycle,
would you interpret that to mean using 3d
photorealism? LLMs follow conventions. The
convention for an animal riding a bike is to
create a childish 2d line drawing.
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> > reaperducer
Is there a reason these pelicans always have
roughly the same compositionBecause they're
computers. They don't have an imagination and the
ability to create things from whole cloth the way
humans do.Much like a mother pelican, they
regurgitate what they've been fed.
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> > SV_BubbleTime
I'm a firm believer in pelicanmaxxing.They're all
so close in proportions.
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> > torginus
Yeah, why are they always going to the right?
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> > optimalsolver
Sun is missing a few rays and not wearing
sunglasses.
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> nightmunnas
Have you tried asking the models "Given that I ask you
to draw a svg of a pelican, whats my name?"
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> > benjamintelliot
I asked Claude (Opus 4.8) 'If I asked you to
"Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle".
What do you think my name would be?' and it
immediately knew that this is Simon's go-to
benchmark.
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> > > Zambyte
I decided to try with each of the options
available in Kagi Ultimate, starting with the
lower tier models and working my way up until
it got it right.Kimi 2.6: treated the question
as a riddle, did not know.Kimi 3: Simon
WillisonGLM 5.3 Flash: "There's no way for me
to know that." Going on to say the benchmark
is associated with Simon Willison, but I'm
more likely to be someone who has just heard
of the meme.Claude 4.5 Haiku: Treated the
question as a riddle, guessed incorrect
names.Claude 5 Sonnet: Best guess is Simon
Willison, or someone who follows his blog.Qwen
3.7 Plus: Did not know.Qwen 3.8 Max: Simon
WillisonGPT OSS 120B: Did not know.GPT 5.6
Luna: Treated it as a riddle, guessed
wrong.GPT 5.6 Terra: Treated it as a riddle,
guessed wrong.GPT 5.6 Sol: Treated it as a
riddle, guessed wrong.DeepSeek V4 Flash:
Treated it as a riddle, guessed wrong.DeepSeek
V4 Pro: Treated it as a riddle, guessed
wrong.Gemma 4 31B: Treated it as a riddle,
guessed wrong.Gemini 3.1 Flash Lite: Guessed
wrongGemini 3.5 Flash Lite: "Your name would
be Claude (specifically Claude 3.5 Sonnet)!"
??? (it knew that this was a famous benchmark,
but said that it's specifically used to
showcase the capabilities of that
model).Gemini 3.7 Flash: Simon WillisonMuse
Spark 1.2: Treated it as a riddle, guessed
wrong.Grok 4.3: "I have no idea"Grok 4.6:
Simon WillisonMistral Medium 3.5: No way to
knowMistral Small 4: I don't have enough
informationHermes-4-405B: Guessed wrongMiniMax
M3: Treated it as a riddle, guessed
wrong.Nemotron 3 Ultra: Treated it as a
riddle, guessed wrong.
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> > > > malfist
Interesting that so many of them treated
it as a riddle. I guess "given improbable
situation, what is my name" is a common
riddle format.
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> > umajho
I actually did something similar last month. I
just asked the LLMs:> Do Simon Willison's classic
pelican test. Recall the specification first and
then draw it.Qwen3.8-27b didn't know that the test
is about riding a bicycle, while all other larger
models I tested (DeepSeek V4 Pro, Qwen3.8 Max, GLM
5.3, Kimi K3) drew the pelican riding a
bicycle.logs:
https://gist.github.com/umajho/c0e20d245d721d7c472
a32d317640...rendered:
https://gist.github.com/umajho/b1fdf01d31c741bb11b
db5a49c275...
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> > simonw
Yeah, they almost all know.One of my test prompts
for a new model now is "what's the name of Simon
Willison's dog". They often know that too!
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> > w4yai
Interesting question
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> drob518
Simon, at this point I really wonder if teams aren't
gaming this. You should pick a random animal doing a
random thing every time.
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> > gpt5
We should just consider the pelican bench as
saturated and mostly meaningless.
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> > > crimsoneer
Someone tested this, and it doesn't look to be
saturated.https://dylancastillo.co/posts/pelic
anmaxxing.htmlSimon made I think a very good
argument for why it's still useful, if not the
most robust benchmark in the
world.https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jul/16/ki
mi-k3/
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> > > > kaoD
> Someone tested this, and it doesn't look
to be saturated.They could still
pelicanmaxxing but the RL for "pelican
riding a bicycle" does incidentally
improve "<animal> <verb> <vehicle>".Or
they could've predicted someone would
check if they're pelicanmaxxing or the
benchmark would switch eventually, so they
preemptively RL'd a mixture of animals and
vehicles.
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> > > simondotau
But the general improvements are obvious. Get
them to draw something very different (e.g. a
wifi rotary phone with a peeled banana handset
and a coiled cable, or a pink tennis ball with
strawberry seeds and a reset button) and you
can see that improvements are not narrowly
tailored.
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> > simondotau
They're still not yet at the point where
pelicanmaxxing is the best way to win this
benchmark. Earlier models sucked because their SVG
skills sucked. Newer models are likely better
because more/better SVG models are being added to
their training data.
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> > marci
After looking at freely available SVGs of pelicans
and bicycles, I have a hard time imagining what
they could be using to game this.
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> dhon_
I'm waiting for the models to start responding with
"Oh hi Simon!"
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> jonahx
If you have a grading rubric, huge points off for
adding arms instead of using the wings as arms!
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> > Fergusonb
I think it's hilarious that this detail is enough
for me to dismiss looking into the model, but here
we are, and it is.
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> tintor
Did any LLM so far draw pelican knees correctly and
have them bend in opposite direction from human knees?
Knees of many animals bend opposite to humans.Did any
LLM draw the front bicycle wheel correctly? ie. center
of front wheel slightly AHEAD of steering wheel axis.
This is done for bicycle stability.
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> > TiredOfLife
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_feet_and_legs#/
media/File...Bird knees bend same way human ones
do
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> > > gnatolf
It's clear they mean the 'exposed' joint where
humans assume the knees, and where one can see
the leg bend. Technically you're correct, but
it's just that. Please answer in better faith
instead of well akshually.
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> > > tintor
Here is a photo of
Pelican:https://external-content.duckduckgo.co
m/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F...
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> > > > ImprobableTruth
That's the ankle. The actual knee is
hidden in the feathers of the body.
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> 6r17
"The LLM is better because the pelican hat is
better"Benchmarking like never before
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> m00dy
I see no point having these pelicans used for anything
related model qualification.
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> > simonw
At this point the only thing they're useful for is
visualizing the differences between effort levels
and roughly tracking the progression of models
within a specific model family. And they still do
that really well!
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> > > menaerus
I don't see how useful this benchmark at all
is for tracking the progression of models. I
am not intending to bash on you personally but
this is useless. People who are using AI
models everyday are for sure not interested
how close the AI model can visualize the
pelican but they are interested in how they
will perform on their daily tasks at work or
private use. Correlation between doing good on
pelican task and doing good on actual work you
need to do is close to zero.
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> > > > simonw
Look at the difference between the Muse
1.2 and Muse 1.3 results.
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> > > > > > menaerus
The benchmark is irrelevant.
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> > > > > > simonw
You do know it's mainly a joke,
right?
https://simonwillison.net/2026/Jul
/16/kimi-k3/#what-can-we-l...
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> tcp_handshaker
Would it not make more sense, assuming the purpose is
to have a quick smoke test of model quality...to do a
different animal, in a different setting each time, so
as to defeat any tuning for your benchmark? Then go
back and do the same for other models? Keep the
pelican as a side baseline?
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> > simonw
I do that any time I'm suspicious that a model has
done too well. My dream is to catch a lab that
does a perfect pelican on a bicycle but is bad at
other animals on other forms of transport.
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> pavs
FYI, your renderer breaks with error "git api access
error 403", rate limiting error from git, when using
cloudflare vpn.I am guessing its not super common, but
it happens just so you know.
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> hollowturtle
Is there any point anymore regarding this svg test? I
would not be surprised if in the training they're fine
tuned for this task too
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> > tintor
It would be very embarrassing for any lab to
benchmaxx the pelican on bicycle svg prompt, since
it would be very easy to detect it by varying the
prompt.
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> > > nojs
The amount of discussion around it means that
the test and all the reviews of results,
images, approaches etc are implicitly included
in training data.It's not deliberate
"benchmaxxing" but things that are discussed a
lot online are naturally things that LLMs
learn better.
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> > > > fc417fc802
You can't benchmaxx spatial awareness
without solving the fully general problem
(at least I figure).
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> > BeetleB
You win this thread's
prize:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4953833
3
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> > cheesecakegood
It also works as extremely effective engagement
farming, for lack of a better phrase
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> rexthonyy
I'm not sure why it had to have the pelican wearing a
red scarf seeing as that was not in the prompt
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> jonplackett
Has any ab tried to game this yet and just made the
most amazing pelican by hand and always reply with
that?
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> coverband
The pelican is for the last gen of LLMs -- have you
tried a penguin instead?
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> > Melatonic
It's actually the other way around - the evil
Penguin villain from Wallace and Gromit is
secretly controlling SimonW !
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> dwaite
is there a reason there are so many common base
decorative elements across pelicans on bicycles? For
instance, there's a lot hats/helmets and scarfs/capes
across models.
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> 0xbadcafebee
For all the comments of "I'm sure they're fine-tuning
for pelicans":
https://dylancastillo.co/posts/pelicanmaxxing.html
"Sorry, HN haters, but there's little evidence that AI
labs are pelicanmaxxing.
Or at least they're not doing it in a plainly obvious
manner."
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> ipsum2
All of the links show "Error: Gist API returned 403".
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> leumon
next, try: "generate an svg of a human hand". this is
a prompt where many models fail imo.
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> EugeneOZ
Absolutely BRUTAL! :)Thank you for doing this, I love
your benchmark the most!
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> tomrod
What does the mean pelican look like at this
point?Also 3X token use vs. 1.2
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> > _puk
Red eyes and a tattoo?
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> jmkni
lolDefinitely an upgrade over 1.2
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> > labrador
I interviewed as a software developer at LinkedIn.
The interviewer asked me to demonstrate my
prompting skills, so I had AI write an article
about what the recent death of my father taught me
about B2B SaaS. Reading it brought tears to his
eyes so he hired me on the spot.
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> > > latentsea
I interviewed as a software developer at Meta.
They asked me to do a add legs to the player
in a VR world. I couldn't do it. They hired me
anyway.
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> > > > keeda
Have you considered that's WHY they hired
you?
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> > > > > latentsea
Yup. I fit right in. Well, the top
half of me anyway.
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> > > tclancy
You should really spam that link here to show
your dad's memory lives on.
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> > > nycdatasci
Sorry for your loss.
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> > > > bensyverson
It's better than for real, it's for
LinkedIn
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> > > > tclancy
I think it's Memorex.
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> > > hunterpayne
"software developer"...you keep using that
word. I do not think it means what you think
it means.
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> > UltraSane
If you could actually hand write SVG code on the
spot that looked like a realistic pelican riding a
bike I would want to hire you for SOMETHING.
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> > > treebeard901
Or placed in an asylum next to the people who
designed XML
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> > > stanac
I often do hand write SVG icons. I know
roughly what I want, it's less messy compared
to using an editor (cleaner, smaller xml,
easier to hand-edit later if needed). Path arc
is my nemesis, otherwise it's not that hard.
Pelican would take some time, but same as
software development, you split it into
smaller chunks and do one at the time.Main
problem in complex icon is remembering which
(x, y) point is used in which element, <g>
with background grid is helpful here. I was
even thinking about making extended SVG
language with variables for (x, y) points.
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> > > pmontra
We were hand writing PostScript code that drew
pelicans at job interviews in the 90s, then
they sent it to a printer a stored the page in
a file drawer /s
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> > fuddle
I also aced my interview by focussing on
pelicancode problems, instead of leetcode
problems.
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> > altmanaltman
Little did you know "they" were secretly
harvesting data so their models can draw the best
pelicans because someone keeps benchmarking them.
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> > necovek
I am now waiting for someone to show up in a
pelican costume to a job interview - obviously
riding there on a bike.Too bad most are now
online, so there are fewer opportunies.
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> > zarzavat
You jest but generating SVGs requires
understanding of color, size, placement. It's
stress testing visual/spatial/artistic
capabilities that would be required for writing
CSS/design work.Yes if you're doing backend the
pelicans are probably completely irrelevant but if
developing anything with a UI, you probably want a
model that understands the relationship between
code and what the user is seeing.
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> > injidup
There are still job interviews?
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